What happens when you can’t manage your investments anymore?
Your kids believe it’s time for someone else to manage your money, but you’re used to doing it on your own and want to save on fees. What are your options?
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Your kids believe it’s time for someone else to manage your money, but you’re used to doing it on your own and want to save on fees. What are your options?
I have been managing my accounts myself so far. I am 84 years old.
Our kids suggested to give it to a financial planner who has invested in mutual funds. They are going to charge at least $35,000 this year.
Is it advisable to withdraw from there and put in an ETF myself?
—Laasya
It sounds like you are not quite ready to pass on the management of your investment accounts, Laasya. It may be easy for someone on the outside looking in to say it’s time for a change given your age. I can imagine how difficult it must be to hand over this responsibility if you are used to doing it on your own.
I try to picture 84-year-old me being told by my kids that it is time to hire a financial planner. I may not be so keen myself when the time comes. Maybe I should bookmark this column.
I took over the management of my mother’s finances toward the end of her life. She seemed reluctant, but she knew it was time. I think she still saw me as her little boy even though thousands of clients and readers looked to me for advice that she was hesitant to take.
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If you expect to pay $35,000 a year on fees to invest in mutual funds, Laasya, I am speculating here, but you probably have somewhere between $1.5 million and $2 million of investments. Mutual fund management expense ratios (MERs) are embedded fees that are paid from the fund’s returns each year. They are about 2% on average but can range from under 0.5% for low-cost, passive index funds to 3% or more for segregated funds from insurance companies.
If you have $1 million or more to invest, there are discretionary portfolio managers who use stocks and bonds or proprietary pooled funds who may charge 1% or less of your portfolio value. (Discretionary means the portfolio manager makes buy and sell decisions on your behalf.)
You could certainly invest in exchange-traded funds (ETFs), and now there are plenty of simple asset-allocation ETFs (also known as all-in-one ETFs) that can be a one-stop shop for investors. Fees are in the 0.25% range.
The problem with buying an ETF, Laasya, is that your kids are concerned about you investing on your own. And if they wanted to be self-directed investors, they probably would have offered to help you manage your investments. They did not. So, if you pull your investments to manage them yourself again, you may be putting your kids in an uncomfortable position, as they may potentially have to become DIY investors at some point if you’re unable to manage your own investments.
Self-directed investing may seem easy to people who are comfortable doing it. But I remain convinced that some people will never be able to manage their own investments, no matter how simple it becomes.
I often joke with my wife that I am very good at a short list of things in the financial planning realm, but not much else. There are plenty of things that I could probably learn to do around my house or in other aspects of life that I have no interest in learning. I would rather pay an expert.
If the $35,000 a year in investment fees is bugging you, Laasya—and I can understand why—you could consider a happy medium. You could move the money to a robo-advisor. It will use ETFs and charge a management fee in the range of 0.3% to 0.5%, such that your all-in fees might be 0.5% to 0.75%.
These robo-advisors are structured as portfolio managers, and you get light support and advice. You may or may not be getting financial, tax and estate planning advice for your $35,000 in annual mutual fund fees, so you may not be forgoing much there.
I think that as we age, we need to acknowledge that things change, whether we like it or not. My teenage sons will be taller than me in the months ahead. There are things my kids can do that I cannot keep up with like I used to in the past.
At some point in the not-too-distant future, Laasya, there will come a point where you literally cannot manage your investments anymore. I hope it is 10 or more years from now, but just in case it is not, I need to challenge your desire to manage your own investments.
Consider alternatives, and if nothing else, push your advisor to justify the fees being paid for the mutual funds they are using. There are low-cost options available, even in the mutual fund space, so you might be able to lower your fees without moving your money again. That way, you and your kids can both be happy.
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You also need to be aware of taxes when you move investments if they can’t be moved in kind. Obviously not a problem in registered accounts. But a problem with non registered investmenst esp if they’ve been held for a long time. My non registered investments on average have a ACB of less than half their market value because many were purchased quite a while ago. Esp with the new capital gains inclusion rate, simplification and consolidation of my self managed portfolio would prematurely cost a large % of my portfolio. A lot of which could be reduced by realizing over the years at the lower inclusion rate